Sorry, 5:4, you're quite right – it's a bizarre compatibility thing, whereby Foobar (9.4.3, as I still run Windows 2000 – 'upgrade refusenik') won't play some, I guess 'newer', FLACs – but it'll play part of them before stopping (it's never played 3', though – usually a second or two, sometimes less). Bun seems to play on my vile Vista system. Sorry to waste your time! Great recording, thanks again. N
The sound quality is indeed astounding. Aside from quiet background, the dynamic range is almost 5 db (!!!) greater than the (highly compressed) FM broadcast copy I have.
A gem!
Now I'll put my modem to work on your other offerings from the Proms :))
This is a splendid concert, indeed. And to hear Cardew – at the time when he, like Stockhausen, "served Imperialism" – that was a treat. Many thanks! Can you tell me the source of this recording? Was it Digital Audio Broadcast? FM? or Webcast?
@CharmNick i've just downloaded the Cardew FLAC file myself from MediaFire & it plays perfectly with no errors (i used WinAmp) – others have clearly downloaded it with no problems either, so the problem seems to be at your end…
Hello, Thanks so much for your excellent recording and detailed post. I'd love to hear Bun No.1 but Mediafire seems to have corrupted your FLAC; I've now downloaded it twice and foobar gave up on both, logging 'Error decoding source file (Unsupported format or corrupted file) at 3:06.224'. Best wishes, Nick
I've listened to the Cardew piece several times now and I think it's a minor masterpiece of its time. What a revelation to hear him writing for a conventional orchestra in the post-serial idiom with such individual results. It's always been frustrating to me that Stockhausen was constitutionally incapable of following on from 'Gruppen' and 'Carré' but now it appears that Cardew, having assisted KS in that work, had something of his own to contribute in a similar vein. And at the same time, the work is quite individual — gratifyingly lyric in an almost Bergian way, beautifully structured and terse — and those repeated staccato chords that keep reappearing are an uncanny premonition of Cage's late 'numbers' pieces.
And (in all of the works on the program — very nice Feldman) Volkov and the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra are superb, totally at ease in a way one could never have imagined had the piece been given in 1965.
Yes, it's time that Cardew's pre-Treatise music was given a commercial recording — previous to this I'd only heard the 'Winter Potatos' piece. I have always valued his contribution with AMM and even had sympathy for his political music at one time, but on the basis of this work I've had to completely re-assess Cardew the composer. Let's hope someone is planning a new CD —
It *was* exciting to hear the Cardew, wasn't it? • Ridiculous that his work continues to be so neglected in this country, so one can't miss opportunities like these to hear it! • Makes one reflect on just how much brilliant, unconventional stuff there is out there crying out to be heard in our great concert halls…
Thanks for another great Proms 'capture' (and another fine discussion of the evening's program.) I've been waiting for years to hear the Cardew piece and I am very excited to hear John Tilbury in the Feldman piece. (As with the Dillon work, it is indeed hard to imagine this is the UK premiere of 'Piano and Orchestra'!)
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Thanks so much for these and the other Proms cuts. I was at this concert and thrilled to find a recording even better than the one I got off iPlayer.
Sorry, 5:4, you're quite right – it's a bizarre compatibility thing, whereby Foobar (9.4.3, as I still run Windows 2000 – 'upgrade refusenik') won't play some, I guess 'newer', FLACs – but it'll play part of them before stopping (it's never played 3', though – usually a second or two, sometimes less). Bun seems to play on my vile Vista system. Sorry to waste your time! Great recording, thanks again. N
5:4,
The sound quality is indeed astounding. Aside from quiet background, the dynamic range is almost 5 db (!!!) greater than the (highly compressed) FM broadcast copy I have.
A gem!
Now I'll put my modem to work on your other offerings from the Proms :))
@Boom Glad you enjoyed it! All the recordings are taken from digital satellite (Sky), hence the high quality 🙂
This is a splendid concert, indeed. And to hear Cardew – at the time when he, like Stockhausen, "served Imperialism" – that was a treat.
Many thanks!
Can you tell me the source of this recording? Was it Digital Audio Broadcast? FM? or Webcast?
@CharmNick i've just downloaded the Cardew FLAC file myself from MediaFire & it plays perfectly with no errors (i used WinAmp) – others have clearly downloaded it with no problems either, so the problem seems to be at your end…
Hello, Thanks so much for your excellent recording and detailed post. I'd love to hear Bun No.1 but Mediafire seems to have corrupted your FLAC; I've now downloaded it twice and foobar gave up on both, logging 'Error decoding source file (Unsupported format or corrupted file) at 3:06.224'. Best wishes, Nick
I've listened to the Cardew piece several times now and I think it's a minor masterpiece of its time. What a revelation to hear him writing for a conventional orchestra in the post-serial idiom with such individual results. It's always been frustrating to me that Stockhausen was constitutionally incapable of following on from 'Gruppen' and 'Carré' but now it appears that Cardew, having assisted KS in that work, had something of his own to contribute in a similar vein. And at the same time, the work is quite individual — gratifyingly lyric in an almost Bergian way, beautifully structured and terse — and those repeated staccato chords that keep reappearing are an uncanny premonition of Cage's late 'numbers' pieces.
And (in all of the works on the program — very nice Feldman) Volkov and the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra are superb, totally at ease in a way one could never have imagined had the piece been given in 1965.
Yes, it's time that Cardew's pre-Treatise music was given a commercial recording — previous to this I'd only heard the 'Winter Potatos' piece. I have always valued his contribution with AMM and even had sympathy for his political music at one time, but on the basis of this work I've had to completely re-assess Cardew the composer. Let's hope someone is planning a new CD —
Thanks again for your Proms efforts.
It *was* exciting to hear the Cardew, wasn't it? • Ridiculous that his work continues to be so neglected in this country, so one can't miss opportunities like these to hear it! • Makes one reflect on just how much brilliant, unconventional stuff there is out there crying out to be heard in our great concert halls…
Thanks for another great Proms 'capture' (and another fine discussion of the evening's program.) I've been waiting for years to hear the Cardew piece and I am very excited to hear John Tilbury in the Feldman piece. (As with the Dillon work, it is indeed hard to imagine this is the UK premiere of 'Piano and Orchestra'!)